well its sad to see that there is just so much cruelty in the world. The father killing his daughters and FIRST wife. I really dont see how they are "honoring" to anybody. I know that muslims are very strong in their beliefs towards religion. But then again they must of done something that wasnt "correct" in their eyes to have gone up to that extremity into killing.
Father killing his kids and trying to make it look as if it was staged the things that happeneds in the world is a scare I can't understand why any one would kill there kid are even consider hitting a child, not even have thought of harming a child under any circumstance . People like that should be put to death.
My concern with this being called an "honor killing" is that there wasn't any honor anywhere. If the father killed because of his beliefs and his faith, then I would have thought that he would have stood his ground and admitted fault. There isn't any honor in killing, even if the murderer feels that he is doing it for the right reasons. Why wasn't there any investigation prior to the killing when the oldest daughter went to a shelter, however briefly. This is where the system failed the family and it happens time and time again!
Those are my thoughts exactly. If they believed that killing represented honor why not stand for what you believe in don't try and cover it up with lies. In my opinion, whenever a child fleas their home to go to a situation at a shelter home where most kids would NEVER willing go to then something isn't right. Even if the child is wrong in doing so, it's a situation that needs to be handled with care and understanding because when you turn your back to these types of things nothing good comes from it.
Even though I do not condone honor killings, we have to remember that, some cultures do practice honor killings. What might be the norm for them might not be the same for us. I also think that we have to examine the family’s psychological state when they committed the crime. In my opinion, it would be in the family’s best entrance if they admitted what they have done. Based on the family’s statement in the article they say that they have done nothing wrong. However, they must realize that in American culture we do not practice honor killings. What concerns me the most is that the father is in denial of any wrongdoing.
For one, why should they realize this is something we don’t practice in "American culture", when the act occurred in Canada? Also, regardless of religion or creed, they are in Canada (a country that convicts murderers) not in a Muslim nation.
Furthermore, what does it matter if it is their norm or not? Just because this is normal for them should we let them off the hook and send them on their way? What if there was someone in the US that believes child abuse is ok and considered it normal? Should this individual be able to practice this horrible thing without any punishment?
I think what Cody means is that in some countries that see honor killing ok should stand up for the guilt that they committed, it's part of it being performed as a honor killing. Not that it's ok or that because they are in a different country that does not see that to be ok that because of their own country or personal or religious belief MAKES it ok.
No, this individual should not be able to practice something horrible such as this, even in their own countries should they be allowed to walk around freely after commiting something like this but we dont have that authority to stop them or change something that they live by.
I realize that some cultures do practice honor killings and it has always been my belief that the person(s)responsible will claim responsibility. Even in cultures that do not condone honor killings, we often hear about how a certain person or group has claimed responsibility without any regard to the possible punishment. It would seem to me that if this father, and the others, killed their dishonorable family members, that he/they would have been proud to say that they killed them because the daughters and first wife were a "disgrace".
It is ashame that it all folded out like that. The father felt like his daughters "disgraced" him and like mentioned above I don't agree with such acts. But some countries do believe in honor killings but if that were the case then the father and the family should be "proud" of what they did and should admit it regardless of the consequences. It is sad that the girls probably never stood a chance in the situation.
Wow this is wild! Its a crazy thing to see this as being something considered honorable in the Muslim world. Crazy how the man of the house can live in "sin" (as considered by his religion) by being married to more than one wife, but it is not ok for the females of the family to mix with the "western world"; what they consider to be adultery.
This i sad how people could do this kill there our blood its sad and it makes me sick. This world is going crazy and crazy each and every year thats pass by its hard to read this if you want to have children because u would do anything but never hurt them or kill them. I think that this people they haven't read the bible the bible saids u should not kill now what they did is a good thing that they will pay for what they did but I think they should be more punish but god will do that ones they are dead.
We were just talking about this tyoe of crime in my Family Violence class and it's shocking to see how these individuals could be capable of killing their own relatives because they believe it was the right thing to do and that they're religion obligated them to commit these acts. If the father didnt want the daughters to adapt to a western lifestyle he shouldn't have moved his family to Canada. It's still not right whether it happens here in the U.S. Canada, or even Islam
There are all sorts of wrongs in this article. I do agree with Cesar, why do you move somewhere that you know influence and American customs will play a big role in your children's lives? If Shafia didn’t agree with the lifestyles his daughters were living or adapting to why didn’t he better educate them more on why his personal morals and standards are important to him? I feel that when you decide to move to somewhere like the United States you will have to give up some rights and personal cultural attributes, maybe not give up but definitely have an open mind and be ready to expect the worse especially from your children that will be interacting with a whole different diversity of cultures and religions. Religion and culture are not the excuse for this selfless act of sin, it was his own intention to harm and kill cold blood his own flesh and blood. And if he couldn't handle his first wife backing up the daughter's flaws then why did he allow them to live with her? He had other options to seek this matter out in a different way and go about it but instead he took their lives against their will. And why didn't someone do something when the oldest daughter ran away to a shelter? Or at least step in and investigate since there were younger siblings in the house. Sometimes it's the littlest thing that could have refrained from such a tragic accident to happen and would have probably resulted in a less tragic than this.
How very, very sad. I would like to believe that the first wife and daughters are in a better place now. It is unbelievable what human beings are capable of doing. Exploring Criminal Justice: The Essential mentions a Cultural Deviance Theory which proposes that criminal values can be transmitted from one generation to the next, through a process known as cultural transmission. This transmission is said to begin early in life and is learned through experience and participation. It may not come as a surprise then to know that Mr. Mohammad Shafia’s culture in Afghan commonly practiced "honor" killings as acts of vengeance to those who brought dishonor upon their family and if women adopted customs of an outside group they would surely be attacked. Further, the Republic of Afghanistan, which is an Islamic Republic under Sharia Law, permits polygyny. Therefore, Afghan men can take up to four wives. This cultural transmission also helps in explaining Mr. Mohammad Shafia’s act of bigamy, which is illegal in Canada. I can not help but to have a sneaking suspicion that Mr. Mohammad Shafia learned his corrupt habits from his distorted culture.
Additionally, in different cultures where honor killings are prevalent, the offenders actually get away with honor killings without being punished since the Court’s sanction them under religious contexts. Those who commit this crime are typically mentally ill. It would not have surprised me if any of the victims (before their death) suffered from mental disorders or psychiatric problems themselves due to the abuse they endured from their father.
Finally, it appears that Mohammad Shafia’s traditions have followed him to Canada. This goes to show that crime happens even within the family structure. It also shows that crime happens everywhere, given that this took place in Canada. Interestingly enough, a Canadian citizenship study guide declares that: “Canada's openness and generosity do not extend to barbaric cultural practices that tolerate spousal abuse, 'honour killings', female genital mutilation, forced marriage or other gender-based violence.” -Discover Canada: The Rights and Responsibilities of Citizenship.
I actually have seen another real life example of an incident relative to this story. I was in foster care several years ago, and roomed with a girl who was 18. She was also from an immigrant Afghan family, and she had moved to America as a child. Her parents accepted a dowry for her to have an arranged marriage with her distant cousin. However, she had met a man online that she fell in love with and wanted to be with. She felt since she was 18, she could run away to be with him. When her family realized she was gone, they were furious and outraged. They called the police and stated that their daughter had run away to Texas. She was picked up in Texas, and was put into a boot camp. She did not want to eat while she was there and she stated she was actually 18. Next thing I knew, there was a girl living with us in our foster home. She had to go to court to prove she was truly 18 and that she did not want to live with her parents. After court was over, her parents said they would kill her for betraying the family. She just wanted to have freedom to marry who she wants, and live the “American dream.” Since I grew up in America, and do not have the same beliefs, I found this story very unique and interesting. I guess this happens more than many people in America can even imagine. I mean I even saw an episode of “Law and Order SVU,” about a story just like the article. Therefore, that’s why I concluded that these stories happen more than we think. I feel it is wrong to kill family members over such things, but at the same time, I do not have the same beliefs. However, murder is against the law, therefore I will come to the conclusion, that under the law, the family members were wrong to commit murder.
For me what this man and his family did by killing his daughters and first wife is horrible. (HONOR KILLING). The smaller the world gets, wonderful things and horrible things go hand in hand. Break the law and get caught! PAY THE COST TO BE THE BOSS!
His face in this picture just kind of gives him up. He has that ugly, meand "im the boss" look. It is so sad that someone who is called your father would hurt you. That story about it being all an accident, ha its all bull. this is the type of crime you think you would only see on CRIMINAL MINDS, CSI! something like a HOLLYWOOD CRIME! this man and his crazy "new wife" are very twisted in the head and have no idea what HONOR really means.
In the Afghan family it is a shame, that in this day and age, they cling to such antiquated notions which they feel gives them the right to murder their own flesh and blood for opening their minds to new ideas of the ever changing world around them. Unfortunately to embrace the western style of culture is at the top of the “You have brought SHAME to the family” list, which in the Afghan society, they feel requires “HONOR KILLING” to be carried out by the head of the family. This also requires all enlisted members to comply with the orders, or face the same fate as the original offender. In their country there would have been no repercussion for this event, however in Canada, the laws do not protect this type of MURDER.
Mohammad Shafia’s selfish act not only ended the lives of his three daughters and first wife, he also destroyed the lives of his second wife and their son. His twisted concept of honor has left with only a self-satisfied, smug and arrogant look on his face. How can this be a part of a religion? How does this make the world a better place? I was taught that religion is a guide for life, doing good and wonderful things, helping out those which are less fortunate than yourself, thus lifting up mankind… you know pay it forward. How could anything good come from such a senseless act? For Mohammad to call the ruling “unjust” shows how steeped he is in his beliefs; rather like the Russian Neo-Nazi skinhead Demetri, we saw on the Ross Kemp documentary. He believed so deeply that what he was doing was right that killing became a necessity to his cause. “COLD BLOODED”
the law is the law and if that was not allowed in a courty you are liveing dont do it ,but peole need to respect the culture of people in there eyes they are doing good to there fath.the united states goes to war for god and courty all the time and kill s pepole in cold blood everyday so yes to us killing is wrong or honer killings but it has happed all thought history.
It is crazy how people can kill their own family members. Family is supposed to be something you cherish not something that you can just throw away. It’s a shame that that in the picture they don’t even look like they even are sorry for what they have done. And as a father you a supposed to be a protector of your family not the killer of your family, but right in their country isn’t right here and I feel like they knew that but once you are taught something and brought up a certain way that the life that you will forever live. But still I feel that the killings of his family was beyond wrong.
Another story about how religion caused the horrible death of innocent people. Stores like this one of the many reasons I chose not to believe in this god thing everyone talks about. People’s belief make them think the killing three people is okay for no other reason them it didn’t fall into line with what they (the murders) felt was what their sky friend may of wanted. Religion was nothing more than a tool to keep 14th century goat herds in line and has no place in a civilized society, as this article proves. My heart goes out to those three people that lost their lives over a false belief system.
well its sad to see that there is just so much cruelty in the world. The father killing his daughters and FIRST wife. I really dont see how they are "honoring" to anybody. I know that muslims are very strong in their beliefs towards religion. But then again they must of done something that wasnt "correct" in their eyes to have gone up to that extremity into killing.
ReplyDeleteFather killing his kids and trying to make it look as if it was staged the things that happeneds in the world is a scare I can't understand why any one would kill there kid are even consider hitting a child, not even have thought of harming a child under any circumstance . People like that should be put to death.
ReplyDeleteMy concern with this being called an "honor killing" is that there wasn't any honor anywhere. If the father killed because of his beliefs and his faith, then I would have thought that he would have stood his ground and admitted fault. There isn't any honor in killing, even if the murderer feels that he is doing it for the right reasons. Why wasn't there any investigation prior to the killing when the oldest daughter went to a shelter, however briefly. This is where the system failed the family and it happens time and time again!
ReplyDeleteThose are my thoughts exactly. If they believed that killing represented honor why not stand for what you believe in don't try and cover it up with lies. In my opinion, whenever a child fleas their home to go to a situation at a shelter home where most kids would NEVER willing go to then something isn't right. Even if the child is wrong in doing so, it's a situation that needs to be handled with care and understanding because when you turn your back to these types of things nothing good comes from it.
DeleteEven though I do not condone honor killings, we have to remember that, some cultures do practice honor killings. What might be the norm for them might not be the same for us. I also think that we have to examine the family’s psychological state when they committed the crime. In my opinion, it would be in the family’s best entrance if they admitted what they have done. Based on the family’s statement in the article they say that they have done nothing wrong. However, they must realize that in American culture we do not practice honor killings. What concerns me the most is that the father is in denial of any wrongdoing.
ReplyDeleteFor one, why should they realize this is something we don’t practice in "American culture", when the act occurred in Canada? Also, regardless of religion or creed, they are in Canada (a country that convicts murderers) not in a Muslim nation.
DeleteFurthermore, what does it matter if it is their norm or not? Just because this is normal for them should we let them off the hook and send them on their way? What if there was someone in the US that believes child abuse is ok and considered it normal? Should this individual be able to practice this horrible thing without any punishment?
I think what Cody means is that in some countries that see honor killing ok should stand up for the guilt that they committed, it's part of it being performed as a honor killing. Not that it's ok or that because they are in a different country that does not see that to be ok that because of their own country or personal or religious belief MAKES it ok.
DeleteNo, this individual should not be able to practice something horrible such as this, even in their own countries should they be allowed to walk around freely after commiting something like this but we dont have that authority to stop them or change something that they live by.
I realize that some cultures do practice honor killings and it has always been my belief that the person(s)responsible will claim responsibility. Even in cultures that do not condone honor killings, we often hear about how a certain person or group has claimed responsibility without any regard to the possible punishment. It would seem to me that if this father, and the others, killed their dishonorable family members, that he/they would have been proud to say that they killed them because the daughters and first wife were a "disgrace".
ReplyDeleteIt is ashame that it all folded out like that. The father felt like his daughters "disgraced" him and like mentioned above I don't agree with such acts. But some countries do believe in honor killings but if that were the case then the father and the family should be "proud" of what they did and should admit it regardless of the consequences. It is sad that the girls probably never stood a chance in the situation.
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ReplyDeleteWow this is wild! Its a crazy thing to see this as being something considered honorable in the Muslim world. Crazy how the man of the house can live in "sin" (as considered by his religion) by being married to more than one wife, but it is not ok for the females of the family to mix with the "western world"; what they consider to be adultery.
ReplyDeleteThis i sad how people could do this kill there our blood its sad and it makes me sick. This world is going crazy and crazy each and every year thats pass by its hard to read this if you want to have children because u would do anything but never hurt them or kill them. I think that this people they haven't read the bible the bible saids u should not kill now what they did is a good thing that they will pay for what they did but I think they should be more punish but god will do that ones they are dead.
ReplyDeleteWe were just talking about this tyoe of crime in my Family Violence class and it's shocking to see how these individuals could be capable of killing their own relatives because they believe it was the right thing to do and that they're religion obligated them to commit these acts. If the father didnt want the daughters to adapt to a western lifestyle he shouldn't have moved his family to Canada. It's still not right whether it happens here in the U.S. Canada, or even Islam
ReplyDeleteThere are all sorts of wrongs in this article. I do agree with Cesar, why do you move somewhere that you know influence and American customs will play a big role in your children's lives? If Shafia didn’t agree with the lifestyles his daughters were living or adapting to why didn’t he better educate them more on why his personal morals and standards are important to him? I feel that when you decide to move to somewhere like the United States you will have to give up some rights and personal cultural attributes, maybe not give up but definitely have an open mind and be ready to expect the worse especially from your children that will be interacting with a whole different diversity of cultures and religions. Religion and culture are not the excuse for this selfless act of sin, it was his own intention to harm and kill cold blood his own flesh and blood. And if he couldn't handle his first wife backing up the daughter's flaws then why did he allow them to live with her? He had other options to seek this matter out in a different way and go about it but instead he took their lives against their will. And why didn't someone do something when the oldest daughter ran away to a shelter? Or at least step in and investigate since there were younger siblings in the house. Sometimes it's the littlest thing that could have refrained from such a tragic accident to happen and would have probably resulted in a less tragic than this.
ReplyDeleteHow very, very sad. I would like to believe that the first wife and daughters are in a better place now. It is unbelievable what human beings are capable of doing. Exploring Criminal Justice: The Essential mentions a Cultural Deviance Theory which proposes that criminal values can be transmitted from one generation to the next, through a process known as cultural transmission. This transmission is said to begin early in life and is learned through experience and participation. It may not come as a surprise then to know that Mr. Mohammad Shafia’s culture in Afghan commonly practiced "honor" killings as acts of vengeance to those who brought dishonor upon their family and if women adopted customs of an outside group they would surely be attacked. Further, the Republic of Afghanistan, which is an Islamic Republic under Sharia Law, permits polygyny. Therefore, Afghan men can take up to four wives. This cultural transmission also helps in explaining Mr. Mohammad Shafia’s act of bigamy, which is illegal in Canada. I can not help but to have a sneaking suspicion that Mr. Mohammad Shafia learned his corrupt habits from his distorted culture.
ReplyDeleteAdditionally, in different cultures where honor killings are prevalent, the offenders actually get away with honor killings without being punished since the Court’s sanction them under religious contexts. Those who commit this crime are typically mentally ill. It would not have surprised me if any of the victims (before their death) suffered from mental disorders or psychiatric problems themselves due to the abuse they endured from their father.
Finally, it appears that Mohammad Shafia’s traditions have followed him to Canada. This goes to show that crime happens even within the family structure. It also shows that crime happens everywhere, given that this took place in Canada. Interestingly enough, a Canadian citizenship study guide declares that: “Canada's openness and generosity do not extend to barbaric cultural practices that tolerate spousal abuse, 'honour killings', female genital mutilation, forced marriage or other gender-based violence.” -Discover Canada: The Rights and Responsibilities of Citizenship.
I actually have seen another real life example of an incident relative to this story. I was in foster care several years ago, and roomed with a girl who was 18. She was also from an immigrant Afghan family, and she had moved to America as a child. Her parents accepted a dowry for her to have an arranged marriage with her distant cousin. However, she had met a man online that she fell in love with and wanted to be with. She felt since she was 18, she could run away to be with him. When her family realized she was gone, they were furious and outraged. They called the police and stated that their daughter had run away to Texas. She was picked up in Texas, and was put into a boot camp. She did not want to eat while she was there and she stated she was actually 18. Next thing I knew, there was a girl living with us in our foster home. She had to go to court to prove she was truly 18 and that she did not want to live with her parents. After court was over, her parents said they would kill her for betraying the family. She just wanted to have freedom to marry who she wants, and live the “American dream.” Since I grew up in America, and do not have the same beliefs, I found this story very unique and interesting. I guess this happens more than many people in America can even imagine. I mean I even saw an episode of “Law and Order SVU,” about a story just like the article. Therefore, that’s why I concluded that these stories happen more than we think. I feel it is wrong to kill family members over such things, but at the same time, I do not have the same beliefs. However, murder is against the law, therefore I will come to the conclusion, that under the law, the family members were wrong to commit murder.
ReplyDeleteFor me what this man and his family did by killing his daughters and first wife is horrible. (HONOR KILLING). The smaller the world gets, wonderful things and horrible things go hand in hand. Break the law and get caught! PAY THE COST TO BE THE BOSS!
ReplyDeleteHis face in this picture just kind of gives him up. He has that ugly, meand "im the boss" look. It is so sad that someone who is called your father would hurt you. That story about it being all an accident, ha its all bull. this is the type of crime you think you would only see on CRIMINAL MINDS, CSI! something like a HOLLYWOOD CRIME! this man and his crazy "new wife" are very twisted in the head and have no idea what HONOR really means.
ReplyDeleteIn the Afghan family it is a shame, that in this day and age, they cling to such antiquated notions which they feel gives them the right to murder their own flesh and blood for opening their minds to new ideas of the ever changing world around them. Unfortunately to embrace the western style of culture is at the top of the “You have brought SHAME to the family” list, which in the Afghan society, they feel requires “HONOR KILLING” to be carried out by the head of the family. This also requires all enlisted members to comply with the orders, or face the same fate as the original offender. In their country there would have been no repercussion for this event, however in Canada, the laws do not protect this type of MURDER.
ReplyDeleteMohammad Shafia’s selfish act not only ended the lives of his three daughters and first wife, he also destroyed the lives of his second wife and their son. His twisted concept of honor has left with only a self-satisfied, smug and arrogant look on his face. How can this be a part of a religion? How does this make the world a better place? I was taught that religion is a guide for life, doing good and wonderful things, helping out those which are less fortunate than yourself, thus lifting up mankind… you know pay it forward. How could anything good come from such a senseless act? For Mohammad to call the ruling “unjust” shows how steeped he is in his beliefs; rather like the Russian Neo-Nazi skinhead Demetri, we saw on the Ross Kemp documentary. He believed so deeply that what he was doing was right that killing became a necessity to his cause. “COLD BLOODED”
ReplyDeletethe law is the law and if that was not allowed in a courty you are liveing dont do it ,but peole need to respect the culture of people in there eyes they are doing good to there fath.the united states goes to war for god and courty all the time and kill s pepole in cold blood everyday so yes to us killing is wrong or honer killings but it has happed all thought history.
ReplyDeleteIt is crazy how people can kill their own family members. Family is supposed to be something you cherish not something that you can just throw away. It’s a shame that that in the picture they don’t even look like they even are sorry for what they have done. And as a father you a supposed to be a protector of your family not the killer of your family, but right in their country isn’t right here and I feel like they knew that but once you are taught something and brought up a certain way that the life that you will forever live. But still I feel that the killings of his family was beyond wrong.
ReplyDeleteAnother story about how religion caused the horrible death of innocent people. Stores like this one of the many reasons I chose not to believe in this god thing everyone talks about. People’s belief make them think the killing three people is okay for no other reason them it didn’t fall into line with what they (the murders) felt was what their sky friend may of wanted. Religion was nothing more than a tool to keep 14th century goat herds in line and has no place in a civilized society, as this article proves. My heart goes out to those three people that lost their lives over a false belief system.
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