First off if the government is telling them to not steer their ships in that general area then they shouldn't. On the other end however, if they government is going to name a certain area unsafe for shipping items then they should be doing something productive to make that specific area safe again. I believe that they need to get a better system to call for help from the Navel Force also. The fact that there was a day between the calling for help and the Navel Force actually getting there shows that the Navel Force are not doing a good job patrolling the area. That or it takes a whole day to call for help. If Pirating is becoming a major problem in these areas then there should be more government intervention for the safety of the ship owners and the crew.
An almost identical version of this story was reported on February 2008. The United States fired on the vessel and unfortunately “the gang” escaped. November 19, 2008, a fishing boat is hijacked off of Somalia. April 8, 2009 American crewmembers of a Danish ship were hijacked by Somalia pirates. March 30, 2010 Indian boat hijacked off Somalia. Apparently this is becoming a real problem, but whose problem? Are “pirates” just gangs on water instead of land? All the boats seem to be different nationalities, so they are not “picking” on just one nation. Kenya has asked other countries to step up and help with capture and detainment of pirates. They currently have 136 pirates among their 153,000 prison inmates. They have received donations up to 4 million to upgrade its criminal justice system, but is it enough? And the support agreements with other countries are starting to lapse. Some say they ought to return the pirates to Somalia, which is already a failed country that has not had a functioning government for 20 years. But as of October 12, 2010, a government leader was kidnapped by pirates in Puntland, a region of Somalia. It used to be a low violence area, but now the pirates roam free, and do what they consider necessary to make sure it stays that way. It is a scary thing that is happening, but if ignored, it is only going to get worse. The Philly News. Philly.com http://www.philly.com/philly/wires/ap/news/world/20101012_ap_unsaysmorecountriesmusthelpprosecutepirates.html
Seems kinda fishy, car parts, pirates(we all know what their about). A day late for a call for help, while help was fighting a fire elsewhere. French vessel in the area,what do you think about this scenerio. Everyone who navagates a vessel knows the chances one takes when going through the Somalia waters, seems like one is playing Russian roulette with their insured cargos.
my first reaction in reading this is why are we sending important things through the waters of somalia if there are any kinda concerns about pirates? my girlfriend's dad says that pirates are the gang members of the deep seas. He was in the navy for 21 years and has told us stories about how their are still to this day "pirates" in the deep seas. They are more modern types of pirates but that they are known for high jacking of ships and stealing all necessary pieces of equipment for themselves. I feel as though if there are pirates out there doing this we should find another way or transporting our cargos besides through water. A way that we would be reassured that they would be transported properly.
While in the years back the company still had Japanese officers on board of their vessel they have now all-Filipino crews, despite the ban by the government of the Philippines to employ their nationals on routes endangered by piracy. So apparently there are still pirates! Hijackers! Are we not prepared to deal with this? We as international commerce? There are countries breaking their own laws and trend setting law breaking. Ships I know can only carry limited men and only so much cargo but you would think the radar would pick up vessels heading in their direction. Even more so the coast guards and U.S. Customs should have these ships documents when they are active in the water and location at all times. I see that being a way not necessarily countering piracy directly but solving the problem of stolen goods. This sounds like it is going to cost major bucks to the corporations which will cause and increase in parts which will inly transition to more dollars that’s the customer is going to have to pay. If we can avoid a problem let’s do it! Come on customs. We should know which boats have high priority and be watching in case of piracy! Let’s use our noodles here!
PRIATES IS JUST ANOTHER TERM FOR GANGS BUT ONLY ON SEA!!! Okay now that’s out of my system, we all know there has been an issue with pirating now more than ever especially anywhere near Africa. So I’m curious why as a nation we have not come together and either come up with laws or a plan of action to prevent or limit situation like this. Just think of the pirating that we don’t hear about… pirating has even gone as far as ruining family vacation. But just in case you have not heard about it there was this couple who were out in their boat and jet skis, then all of a sudden they were surrounded by pirates and they shot and killed her husband, but luckily she got out live. Now I’m a pretty compassionate person but are all this pirate nonsense, I would be okay if they just blow their ships out of the water. Not like there aren’t sunken ships in the ocean already, it would further crowd our jail and would be a great deterrent for others not to do it out of fear of getting there asses blown up (excuse my French). I’m mean for God sache is there no place people can go without the fear of being attacked…oh what yes there is it’s called a grave
This could explain why I didnt receive my car part until today. Somalian pirates strike again, this is 2010 and gangs with fisher boats and AKAs are taking over cargo ships. Well I can believe it, when you have a crew of 20 filipinos who arent even supposed to be sailing dangerous routes, are being over ran by pirates, which is actually kinda funny if you think about it. This particular route is often used to tranfer goods and keep in mind that there is a lot of water to cover. Naval ships are patrolling those waters, and doing the best they can. Im sure that these cargo crews are well aware of the danger, but still man these ships because they need the money. Fortunately nobody was hurt, and I can drive my car.
After reading this post, I decided to go check out more stories on the Modern Day Pirates and now I am left wondering why this group wasn't included in this class on Gangsters. These groups seem slightly organized, perhaps not as organized and many of the other gangs, but organized none the less. They are big into trafficking of stolen goods of all sorts, they are most definitely considered a gang.
I am not sure how to stop these groups, but I agree with a previous post, if the Government KNOWS this area is dangerous, and are requesting that ships not enter this area you would think they would go a step further and offer alternatives or somehow figure out a way to stop the pirates.
I have to admit I am still quite dumb regarding Pirates but thanks to this post I believe I will do more research.
The issue involving the hijacking of cargo ships by pirates is very tough to challenge, as are all situations involving pirate activity. The term pirate can be very misleading with many relating it to the old traditional interpretation portrayed in movies and television. The modern day pirate possesses a dangerous threat, with many involved in kidnapping as well as hijacking ships. On top of this, pirates are very effective in these areas due to the environment under which they carry out their criminal activity. The sea cannot be policed to any great extent, meaning it can be a potential death trap for cargo ships carrying very expensive products on board. Large investment in coast guard expansion would do little towards preventing such incidents occurring due to the vast uncertainty of where these pirates are located. They are free to roam the sea, picking out hot spots where easily targeted ships are passing by. A wise strategy would be to pay close attention to these busy transportation routes that cargo ships use in an attempt to at least gather information to pin point where the major pirate activity occurs. From there, action can then be taken to start to subdue pirates and ensure safer waters for the transport of goods. However, the argument for a constantly patrolling police force out at sea would be a costly and rather ineffective strategy to take in my opinion.
It seems that ships getting hijacked by Somali Pirates is becoming a bigger problem. What makes it so hard to prevent these hijackings is the fact that the coast of Somalia spands a huge portion of the east coast of Africa. It is just too much space to patrol by one nation. This problem is something that the UN should address. The shipping route taken by these ships is another piece of the problem. These ships have to travel through the Red Sea, which makes it impossible to completely avoid the waters around Somalia. This is the definition of piracy i found: "Maritime piracy, according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of 1982, consists of any criminal acts of violence, detention, rape, or depredation committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or aircraft that is directed on the high seas against another ship, aircraft, or against persons or property on board a ship or aircraft. Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state".
C.Meeke The issue brought on by pirating is a treaty problem. Who has jurisdiction? Are pirates a form of organized crime or the reality of a broken government that cannot provide stability in Somalia? Let’s call them hijackers because in reality that is what they are. These hijackers are organized and know how to avoid patrols. The hijackers use simple boats and hide the weapons to make it appear as if they are fishing. Is it the job of International warships to stop every single fishing boat suspected in crime? These hijackers are just illegitimate opportunist criminal gangsters. They come from a lawless country where their government is so broken even the United Nations can not help them. Here is a case of a shake down and a big pay out. These gangsters have a direct affect on the global economy. I wander if these lawless hijackers are part of the problem and not the solution. I think there are ring leaders using these hijackers for personal wealth and gain. The country is poor and has no functioning government to assist the poor and uneducated people. The next problem is how can the waters be patrolled when there is such a large body of water? Would this not become a jurisdiction problem? I always thought it was the United Nations that took the led on major issues like this. If the UN wants to be valued and viewed as a reliable source then they need to take charge and perused other countries to help out before this becomes a major issue again in the news.
There are so many ways to approach this. The main thing is jurisdiction. Who controls what and how should do what. The answer is………..every one. There should not be an issue with who should be able to address the situation. We are all affected by the dang pirates. Each country should give up a few of their law enforcement people and make something like NATO. Maybe we could be a little smarter than pirates. They don’t have street smarts there are no streets. You mean to tell me that there is not a way to stop them. We should just kill them on the spot if they are caught committing acts of piracy. A few well armed people on ships would solve that problem. The ships run like little towns anyways so just think of the armed people as sheriffs.
why use the waters around Somalia to ship cargo? it is a dangerous idea for the crew and cargo. try another route may take a bit longer, but at least you know you will make it in one piece. either that or people are going to start defending themselves, and I'll bet at the pirates espense. captains are only going to tolerate this for so long before they take the law into their own hands, and is that really what people want? the pirates are nothing more than another gang on this planet making trouble for everyone else. what about enforcement of the laws, why is there such debate as to whos problem it is? it is everyone who uses those shipping lanes either to get product in or out.
Pirates are one of the first gang groups, and still flourish today. You would think with all the technology at our disposal today that being able to eliminate a few boats coming up in a hostile manner would be a sign of aggression and one could defend themselves with equal force. Blast then out of the water! Terrorist are just that, and they should have equal treatment in the water as on land. The time for the benefit of the doubt is over, and the rules of engagement should reflect what we impose on our own school bullies, ZERO tolerance to terrorist. Let the Eagle soar and rule the streets and the seas. Round them up, make sure they all have tattoos and ship them down to Central America as fair game. Problem solved.
Those damn Somali pirates strike again! Honestly, there have been enough instances in which they have hijacked ships or kidnapped those on board the ship. We have had knowledge on the matter and that it exists, and yet no one has taken a course of action? I don't know how other countries view the issue, but maybe they don't feel obligated to fight back. Technically, all this is happening on sea. As far as I know, no one country, or any country at that, owns the ocean or lays claim to it. That means fair game for whoever wants to take a stand and fight back. Must we wait for another ship to get hijacked before we make a move? We have the capabilities, technology, and man-power. I say instead of waiting for them to find the next ship, let's go out and find them. We can either fight them, or avoid them. Ships have different routes they can take in order to avoid the pirates. However, avoiding the problem doesn't solve it. I still stand by finding them, and bringing them down.
Pirates are the ORIGINAL gang's. As long as there have been vessels sailing the sea's there have been pirates. When a cargo or other type of vessel is commandeered the pirates are doing it for beneficial gains. No matter what they find they can and will make some type of monetary benefit from their heist. The cargo on this particular ship seemed to be automotive parts.... whether the pirates got away with the entire payload or just a portion they will make a profit off they're heist... black market goods strive in every type of economic society. As long as there is an opportunity for these type of occurrences they will continue to happen. If people are concerned with their belongings and their lives they should protect them... and in international waters that means by any means necessary. If pirates attempt to attack... Shoot to KILL!!
I agree, it does sound like a fishy story. Some one is giving out false locations on the MV ISUMI. The question is if it is on purpose or by mistake. It makes me wonder if a cache of weapons were hidden under the car parts. The article states that the Japanese ship is flying a flag of convenience from Panama. A convenience that allows possible less supervision and inspections. I have seen mention of the French and Danish Navies in this article. I think that the Japanese transport ministry needs to ask the Japanese Navy to take a look at this so called sea jacking. The Japanese Navy should have the resources and man power to help. I saw a documentary on the History Channel and it stated that the Japanese Navy is now the second largest in the world. It is only second to the United States Navy. Things have changed over the past 65 years for the Japanese military. After the end o f WWII, they were to be limited to a small defensive military, I guess time and Japan’s wealth has changed that stipulation.
this story has a few holes in it and i can see im not the only one who think so. why wait to call for help and why do they want car part when they many other boats with much more valuable thing aboard them. If they boats are not safe shipping in the waterw then why send the shippments that way its like your saying here i am come and get me. when you open your self up to bad things then bad things will happen.
Somolia has internal problems of famine, drought, flooding, disease, environmental concerns of sanitation, and the internal wars and conflicts make it easy to see why Somalia is unable to rid its exterior coastline waters of the pirates. The Somali internal problems are too great to protect their coastline, and this is not the only area in which piracy has become a hotspot. The International Chamber of Commerce has a specialized division called the Commercial Crime Services (ICC). Within that division, there is a department dedicated just to piracy called the International Maritime Bureau Piracy Reporting Centre (IBM PRC). This organization publishes a weekly piracy report, and encourages mariners to report attempted boarding attempts and suspicious crafts. The IBM also recommends the installing an electrical fence to prevent boarding called “Secure-Ship” which uses a 9,000 volt pulse to deter the pirates. Ouch!! Secure-Marine is the manufacture of the Secure-Ship protection system, and they make claims of preventing robberies, preventing stowaways, and they have an option of a silent message signaling device which signals the IMB PRC. All the above technology is wonderful, but I can just imagine the terror of being confronted by machine gun pirates. Some have used rocket launchers and hand grenades, and you are a sitting duck out in the open ocean. The other frightening issue is the Russian tanker is loaded with military supplies – that can translate to arms. They too are part of the ransom.
This doesn't really surprise me much. Pirates will always be around. They have even been around when the Vietnam War occured. Vietnamese refugee trying to escape their homelands from the VC just to have their boat seized by pirates and all the female victims raped.
However modern day ships can prevent this by having some firearms on board. This can give military some time to react.
With over 40% of the population living in extreme poverty, it makes sense that the people of Somalia would do whatever they can to make money. What we need to do is help the country establish a stronger government that supports its people. Since the U.S. and China are the biggest reason the Somalians lost their lively hood (fishing, by over fishing the sea we, should do more to help them rebuild their country. Until they have other ways of making money and government that is willing to prosecute them, pirates will continue hold ships ransom.
When I hear the word pirates, the first image that comes to my mind is Captain Jack Sparrow from the Pirates of the Caribbean. The idea of pirates seems preposterous, but it is true. I was thinking this was the twenty-first century, but I must be wrong, this is the eightieth century, and America is a foundling nation. However, I come back to my senses. The story is sad but true. The more things change, the more they stay the same. At one time in our distant past, America fought the Barbary Pirates. Now they are back in a different form, time and place. If only one country could fit the profile, Somalia would be the place. The failed state of Somalia, the one of the many the world doesn’t care about. They have no oil, and their beautiful beaches and shark infested waters cannot accommodate any rich European resort communities.
The Somalia of Black Hawk Down (the movie). The place America never wanted to see again, after seeing her sons dragged through the streets, out of sight out of mind as they say. But Somalia is back with a new spin, an old one really, with a rich tradition. America and her European allies are to blame. Throw in the UN as well. Think about it, if America’s military isn’t going around killing in some God forsaken place, the place isn’t even thought of, much less mentioned. As always, if the world won’t listen to cries of poverty, they will listen to the cries of blood-shed. We have reaped what we have sown, (example: the international arms trade) and it is up to the International community of the not so-failed states to fix it.
I believe in the Bible statement an eye for an eye. Do unto others as they do unto you. You hit me I hit you back with that said, it amazes me again how other countries have law and restriction about reacting to such attacks. We all know this is based on revenue to their society growth. It is a means to the end. I think I said it in the beginning of this comment, I believe a person has the right to use what ever means to protect its property whether on land, sea, or in the air. It is easy for me to sit here and type a few words but reality is it a part of their way of survival. There are rules set in place by the countries involved in these incidents...is it right probably not and do anyone care probably not....what is it primary focus....to get money. Which is also mention in the Bible is the root of all evil.
The pirates of Somalia have become a problem for a lot of countries around the world. Ships that have to go through Somalia in order to get to there destination have been robbed or taken over by these pirates. Its making it difficult for things to get shipped. These ships have to worry about these pirates trying to take over there ships which is ridiculous something should be done about this. The laws out there are dumb how is it suppose to stop if they never stop the cycle. When they get caught they just take them back Somalia and the cycle starts again. I understand they are destroying there ships but that isn’t enough they need to go to jail. Some country needs to step up and take these pirates to jail. The problem is never gunna stop unless something drastic is done. It is ridiculous that ship cant go near the coast of Somalia because of fear it may get captured they have to go around and it takes longer for the shipment to get where it needs to be. So like I said something has to be done.
I never really thought about the Somali Pirates as a gang. But that is exactly what they are.
I am fascinated that they are able to take over huge vessels and crews with what little they have to work with. Yes, a gun shoved in my face would make me cower in fear and do anything they ask of me. But is there not a gun on that ship anywhere, where another crew member can sneak up on a pirate or two and wreak havoc on them? Maybe I've watched too many Steven Segal movies.
These pirates will not be stopped until shipping companies make some drastic changes in their security. But it seems they don't want to fork out the money to do so. What does that say about the company? Do they care about their employees? I'm not really seeing the employee love here.
With all the warnings and media reports of the pirates one must wonder what goes through a logistics planners head when they plan a shipment route through this area. Many companies feel that it is more costly to avoid this area due to shipment time, while others think that they will be one of the lucky few who are not attacked. They have insurance on the cargo, yet their lack of regard for the human lives lost during these attacks is irresponsible. What puzzles me is the same as Leanne, how is it that a half a dozen pirates can board a large shipping vessel with a several dozen crew members on board and take control? Does anyone else out there smell consperacy? Maybe a little insurance fraud on the part of the large corporations shipping through this area?
Once again, why are these routes being used? If the media has been reporting about these unsafe areas then why does everyone keep using them. The pirates are getting worse and are taking over every vessel that goes through. Other routes should be discussed and used or other forms of transportation. May seem like more money or time but really it would be cheaper then getting kidnapped by pirates and having to pay a large amount of ransom to be released.
Pirates, pirates, pirates, what is their plan. They are capturing people and trying to take over ships as if they rule the world. They only thing that makes these people powerful is our fear of them. They are like big bullies and what makes a bully powerful, the victims fear. Also, popularity, with them being in the news they are becoming “popular” they are being recognized for their actions which allow them gain power because people are becoming fearful of them. Terrorist are the same way, after what has happened with September 11th, Americans are scared of what is going to happen next, and because of that they are planning other ways to scare and harm us. These are just people who desire power and recognition, and by pushing us around they are gaining every bit of it. I do understand how they are violent, and that is a huge factor in these ordeals. Being aware is the next step to trying to avoid these things from happening. We have so many precautions now in airports because of the terror attacks and there are many more to come I am sure. So this is just another bump in the road that we need to gain more knowledge about so we can develop more strategies on how to avoid these conflicts
Pirates? Thats really kind of interesting,because pirates was a name for outlaws of the sea like hundreds of years ago. When I read this article, it just doesn't really make a lot of since, if anything it seems like a gang activity, instead of on land it is in water. Why would you be sending parts over sea like that? Maybe it was some was planned and their trying to make it seem like it was something fluke that happend. I just think that this story is to unbelievable. Maybe if there was more information on this, but from what i read it just seems a little fishy.
I think Melanie might be onto something. The corporate people may be committing insurance fraud or maybe even something worse. You may ask yourself what is worse than that. It is being considered only a number in a calculator. Every person is worth something. It maybe a pirate’s calculator, the governments, or the corporations, but it is still the same end result. For each one they have there breaking point. It could be as simple and changing course, or not taking action if something does happen. Pirate’s calculators are not working on the same as everybody else’s because they need money and such simple things to survive. They are not doing it to get rich like what most people consider rich. They just want the bare necessities.
Usually when you think of pirates, you picture a dude with a long beard, a bandana around his head wearing a pirate hat, with a parrot on his shoulder, saying Polly want a cracker or arrgh matey, looking for gold. Instead of this type of pirate, we have pirates who attack ships that sail in their territory. They raid the ships and they take the people on the ships as hostages. I agree with Deavon pirate is just another term for gang, except it’s on the sea. The pirates take what they want, when they want, and they get it by any means necessary. There is another article on this blog that refers to a British couple being released from the Somali pirates after a year. The Somali pirates held this couple for a year and they just now released them. The Somali pirates have been doing this for some time now and they show no signs of stopping.
It's crazy to think that these pirates are STILL getting away with hijacking ships and taking hostages. Obviously the pirates feed off of the fear people feel about them and use it to their advantage when negotiating millions of dollars to release hostages. There's no way that the pirates are going to see an end to their criminal behavior anytime soon....they've got it too easy! All they have to do is provoke fear in the countries and boom they have millions of dollars at their fingertips. Once the countries realize they're making it way to easy for the pirates to continue ruling the seas is the day that the pirate problem will end.
I don't understand why the other countries out there don't just come together and stop this. I mean the pirates aren't following laws and regulations yet they are hiding behind them and flaunting their steals. Really it seems like it's just time to go in and stop it.
I say we have waged war on drugs and other things, lets wage war on pirates! Something definitely has to be done. We cannot continue to have our shipping lanes hijacked by pirates just because they don't want to earn whatever living possible to them, when they can just take something that belongs to someone else. I say once again that military intervention definitely needs to be considered. Little boys with big guns! I don't think so!
I have to agree with others who have compared the modern day pirate to gang members, or maybe it's really the other way around, gang members are like the old school pirates? Just a thought. Also dealing with Somolia is difficult, because almost all of Africa is a volatile pile of chaos. Maybe the UN should do something about it, well the UN should do a lot of things, but that doesn't mean anything will actually be accomplished!
These are not my personal views as I do not believe everyone in America should have the right to have/own a gun since there are so many idiots walking around with no common sense BUT if they know the pirates exist and what they are up to, including disregard for human life, then why not arm themselves to the hilt? The Pirates want a war, well them give them one. And I mean the private companies sending these vessels out to sea knowing the risk. The government tries to do what they can but sometimes they can not reach the people in time to provide help and rescue. I mean technology is so sophisticated now a days. Can they not see a vessel is approaching them?
It seems to me that these pirates are generally surrounded with criminal activities and nothing that they have done or are currently doing is normal by any social standard. It is difficult to track and monitor every vessel on the waters. I cannot possibly imagine what capabilities would be required and the sophistication level of tracking devices to track every single body of waters and its counterparts.
First off if the government is telling them to not steer their ships in that general area then they shouldn't. On the other end however, if they government is going to name a certain area unsafe for shipping items then they should be doing something productive to make that specific area safe again. I believe that they need to get a better system to call for help from the Navel Force also. The fact that there was a day between the calling for help and the Navel Force actually getting there shows that the Navel Force are not doing a good job patrolling the area. That or it takes a whole day to call for help. If Pirating is becoming a major problem in these areas then there should be more government intervention for the safety of the ship owners and the crew.
ReplyDeleteAn almost identical version of this story was reported on February 2008. The United States fired on the vessel and unfortunately “the gang” escaped. November 19, 2008, a fishing boat is hijacked off of Somalia. April 8, 2009 American crewmembers of a Danish ship were hijacked by Somalia pirates. March 30, 2010 Indian boat hijacked off Somalia. Apparently this is becoming a real problem, but whose problem?
ReplyDeleteAre “pirates” just gangs on water instead of land? All the boats seem to be different nationalities, so they are not “picking” on just one nation. Kenya has asked other countries to step up and help with capture and detainment of pirates. They currently have 136 pirates among their 153,000 prison inmates. They have received donations up to 4 million to upgrade its criminal justice system, but is it enough? And the support agreements with other countries are starting to lapse. Some say they ought to return the pirates to Somalia, which is already a failed country that has not had a functioning government for 20 years. But as of October 12, 2010, a government leader was kidnapped by pirates in Puntland, a region of Somalia. It used to be a low violence area, but now the pirates roam free, and do what they consider necessary to make sure it stays that way.
It is a scary thing that is happening, but if ignored, it is only going to get worse.
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Seems kinda fishy, car parts, pirates(we all know what their about). A day late for a call for help, while help was fighting a fire elsewhere. French vessel in the area,what do you think about this scenerio. Everyone who navagates a vessel knows the chances one takes when going through the Somalia waters, seems like one is playing Russian roulette with their insured cargos.
ReplyDeletemy first reaction in reading this is why are we sending important things through the waters of somalia if there are any kinda concerns about pirates? my girlfriend's dad says that pirates are the gang members of the deep seas. He was in the navy for 21 years and has told us stories about how their are still to this day "pirates" in the deep seas. They are more modern types of pirates but that they are known for high jacking of ships and stealing all necessary pieces of equipment for themselves. I feel as though if there are pirates out there doing this we should find another way or transporting our cargos besides through water. A way that we would be reassured that they would be transported properly.
ReplyDeleteWhile in the years back the company still had Japanese officers on board of their vessel they have now all-Filipino crews, despite the ban by the government of the Philippines to employ their nationals on routes endangered by piracy. So apparently there are still pirates! Hijackers! Are we not prepared to deal with this? We as international commerce? There are countries breaking their own laws and trend setting law breaking. Ships I know can only carry limited men and only so much cargo but you would think the radar would pick up vessels heading in their direction. Even more so the coast guards and U.S. Customs should have these ships documents when they are active in the water and location at all times. I see that being a way not necessarily countering piracy directly but solving the problem of stolen goods. This sounds like it is going to cost major bucks to the corporations which will cause and increase in parts which will inly transition to more dollars that’s the customer is going to have to pay. If we can avoid a problem let’s do it! Come on customs. We should know which boats have high priority and be watching in case of piracy! Let’s use our noodles here!
ReplyDeletePRIATES IS JUST ANOTHER TERM FOR GANGS BUT ONLY ON SEA!!! Okay now that’s out of my system, we all know there has been an issue with pirating now more than ever especially anywhere near Africa. So I’m curious why as a nation we have not come together and either come up with laws or a plan of action to prevent or limit situation like this. Just think of the pirating that we don’t hear about… pirating has even gone as far as ruining family vacation. But just in case you have not heard about it there was this couple who were out in their boat and jet skis, then all of a sudden they were surrounded by pirates and they shot and killed her husband, but luckily she got out live. Now I’m a pretty compassionate person but are all this pirate nonsense, I would be okay if they just blow their ships out of the water. Not like there aren’t sunken ships in the ocean already, it would further crowd our jail and would be a great deterrent for others not to do it out of fear of getting there asses blown up (excuse my French). I’m mean for God sache is there no place people can go without the fear of being attacked…oh what yes there is it’s called a grave
ReplyDeleteThis could explain why I didnt receive my car part until today. Somalian pirates strike again, this is 2010 and gangs with fisher boats and AKAs are taking over cargo ships. Well I can believe it, when you have a crew of 20 filipinos who arent even supposed to be sailing dangerous routes, are being over ran by pirates, which is actually kinda funny if you think about it. This particular route is often used to tranfer goods and keep in mind that there is a lot of water to cover. Naval ships are patrolling those waters, and doing the best they can. Im sure that these cargo crews are well aware of the danger, but still man these ships because they need the money. Fortunately nobody was hurt, and I can drive my car.
ReplyDeleteAfter reading this post, I decided to go check out more stories on the Modern Day Pirates and now I am left wondering why this group wasn't included in this class on Gangsters. These groups seem slightly organized, perhaps not as organized and many of the other gangs, but organized none the less. They are big into trafficking of stolen goods of all sorts, they are most definitely considered a gang.
ReplyDeleteI am not sure how to stop these groups, but I agree with a previous post, if the Government KNOWS this area is dangerous, and are requesting that ships not enter this area you would think they would go a step further and offer alternatives or somehow figure out a way to stop the pirates.
I have to admit I am still quite dumb regarding Pirates but thanks to this post I believe I will do more research.
The issue involving the hijacking of cargo ships by pirates is very tough to challenge, as are all situations involving pirate activity. The term pirate can be very misleading with many relating it to the old traditional interpretation portrayed in movies and television. The modern day pirate possesses a dangerous threat, with many involved in kidnapping as well as hijacking ships. On top of this, pirates are very effective in these areas due to the environment under which they carry out their criminal activity. The sea cannot be policed to any great extent, meaning it can be a potential death trap for cargo ships carrying very expensive products on board. Large investment in coast guard expansion would do little towards preventing such incidents occurring due to the vast uncertainty of where these pirates are located. They are free to roam the sea, picking out hot spots where easily targeted ships are passing by. A wise strategy would be to pay close attention to these busy transportation routes that cargo ships use in an attempt to at least gather information to pin point where the major pirate activity occurs. From there, action can then be taken to start to subdue pirates and ensure safer waters for the transport of goods. However, the argument for a constantly patrolling police force out at sea would be a costly and rather ineffective strategy to take in my opinion.
ReplyDeleteIt seems that ships getting hijacked by Somali Pirates is becoming a bigger problem. What makes it so hard to prevent these hijackings is the fact that the coast of Somalia spands a huge portion of the east coast of Africa. It is just too much space to patrol by one nation. This problem is something that the UN should address. The shipping route taken by these ships is another piece of the problem. These ships have to travel through the Red Sea, which makes it impossible to completely avoid the waters around Somalia. This is the definition of piracy i found: "Maritime piracy, according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) of 1982, consists of any criminal acts of violence, detention, rape, or depredation committed for private ends by the crew or the passengers of a private ship or aircraft that is directed on the high seas against another ship, aircraft, or against persons or property on board a ship or aircraft. Piracy can also be committed against a ship, aircraft, persons, or property in a place outside the jurisdiction of any state".
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ReplyDeleteThe issue brought on by pirating is a treaty problem. Who has jurisdiction? Are pirates a form of organized crime or the reality of a broken government that cannot provide stability in Somalia? Let’s call them hijackers because in reality that is what they are. These hijackers are organized and know how to avoid patrols. The hijackers use simple boats and hide the weapons to make it appear as if they are fishing. Is it the job of International warships to stop every single fishing boat suspected in crime? These hijackers are just illegitimate opportunist criminal gangsters. They come from a lawless country where their government is so broken even the United Nations can not help them. Here is a case of a shake down and a big pay out. These gangsters have a direct affect on the global economy. I wander if these lawless hijackers are part of the problem and not the solution. I think there are ring leaders using these hijackers for personal wealth and gain. The country is poor and has no functioning government to assist the poor and uneducated people. The next problem is how can the waters be patrolled when there is such a large body of water? Would this not become a jurisdiction problem? I always thought it was the United Nations that took the led on major issues like this. If the UN wants to be valued and viewed as a reliable source then they need to take charge and perused other countries to help out before this becomes a major issue again in the news.
There are so many ways to approach this. The main thing is jurisdiction. Who controls what and how should do what. The answer is………..every one. There should not be an issue with who should be able to address the situation. We are all affected by the dang pirates. Each country should give up a few of their law enforcement people and make something like NATO. Maybe we could be a little smarter than pirates. They don’t have street smarts there are no streets. You mean to tell me that there is not a way to stop them. We should just kill them on the spot if they are caught committing acts of piracy. A few well armed people on ships would solve that problem. The ships run like little towns anyways so just think of the armed people as sheriffs.
ReplyDeletewhy use the waters around Somalia to ship cargo? it is a dangerous idea for the crew and cargo. try another route may take a bit longer, but at least you know you will make it in one piece. either that or people are going to start defending themselves, and I'll bet at the pirates espense. captains are only going to tolerate this for so long before they take the law into their own hands, and is that really what people want? the pirates are nothing more than another gang on this planet making trouble for everyone else. what about enforcement of the laws, why is there such debate as to whos problem it is? it is everyone who uses those shipping lanes either to get product in or out.
ReplyDeletePirates are one of the first gang groups, and still flourish today. You would think with all the technology at our disposal today that being able to eliminate a few boats coming up in a hostile manner would be a sign of aggression and one could defend themselves with equal force. Blast then out of the water! Terrorist are just that, and they should have equal treatment in the water as on land. The time for the benefit of the doubt is over, and the rules of engagement should reflect what we impose on our own school bullies, ZERO tolerance to terrorist. Let the Eagle soar and rule the streets and the seas. Round them up, make sure they all have tattoos and ship them down to Central America as fair game. Problem solved.
ReplyDeleteThose damn Somali pirates strike again! Honestly, there have been enough instances in which they have hijacked ships or kidnapped those on board the ship. We have had knowledge on the matter and that it exists, and yet no one has taken a course of action? I don't know how other countries view the issue, but maybe they don't feel obligated to fight back. Technically, all this is happening on sea. As far as I know, no one country, or any country at that, owns the ocean or lays claim to it. That means fair game for whoever wants to take a stand and fight back. Must we wait for another ship to get hijacked before we make a move? We have the capabilities, technology, and man-power. I say instead of waiting for them to find the next ship, let's go out and find them. We can either fight them, or avoid them. Ships have different routes they can take in order to avoid the pirates. However, avoiding the problem doesn't solve it. I still stand by finding them, and bringing them down.
ReplyDeletePirates are the ORIGINAL gang's. As long as there have been vessels sailing the sea's there have been pirates. When a cargo or other type of vessel is commandeered the pirates are doing it for beneficial gains. No matter what they find they can and will make some type of monetary benefit from their heist. The cargo on this particular ship seemed to be automotive parts.... whether the pirates got away with the entire payload or just a portion they will make a profit off they're heist... black market goods strive in every type of economic society. As long as there is an opportunity for these type of occurrences they will continue to happen. If people are concerned with their belongings and their lives they should protect them... and in international waters that means by any means necessary. If pirates attempt to attack... Shoot to KILL!!
ReplyDeleteI agree, it does sound like a fishy story. Some one is giving out false locations on the MV ISUMI. The question is if it is on purpose or by mistake. It makes me wonder if a cache of weapons were hidden under the car parts. The article states that the Japanese ship is flying a flag of convenience from Panama. A convenience that allows possible less supervision and inspections. I have seen mention of the French and Danish Navies in this article. I think that the Japanese transport ministry needs to ask the Japanese Navy to take a look at this so called sea jacking. The Japanese Navy should have the resources and man power to help. I saw a documentary on the History Channel and it stated that the Japanese Navy is now the second largest in the world. It is only second to the United States Navy. Things have changed over the past 65 years for the Japanese military. After the end o f WWII, they were to be limited to a small defensive military, I guess time and Japan’s wealth has changed that stipulation.
ReplyDeletethis story has a few holes in it and i can see im not the only one who think so. why wait to call for help and why do they want car part when they many other boats with much more valuable thing aboard them. If they boats are not safe shipping in the waterw then why send the shippments that way its like your saying here i am come and get me. when you open your self up to bad things then bad things will happen.
ReplyDeleteSomolia has internal problems of famine, drought, flooding, disease, environmental concerns of sanitation, and the internal wars and conflicts make it easy to see why Somalia is unable to rid its exterior coastline waters of the pirates. The Somali internal problems are too great to protect their coastline, and this is not the only area in which piracy has become a hotspot. The International Chamber of Commerce has a specialized division called the Commercial Crime Services (ICC). Within that division, there is a department dedicated just to piracy called the International Maritime Bureau Piracy Reporting Centre (IBM PRC). This organization publishes a weekly piracy report, and encourages mariners to report attempted boarding attempts and suspicious crafts.
ReplyDeleteThe IBM also recommends the installing an electrical fence to prevent boarding called “Secure-Ship” which uses a 9,000 volt pulse to deter the pirates. Ouch!! Secure-Marine is the manufacture of the Secure-Ship protection system, and they make claims of preventing robberies, preventing stowaways, and they have an option of a silent message signaling device which signals the IMB PRC.
All the above technology is wonderful, but I can just imagine the terror of being confronted by machine gun pirates. Some have used rocket launchers and hand grenades, and you are a sitting duck out in the open ocean. The other frightening issue is the Russian tanker is loaded with military supplies – that can translate to arms. They too are part of the ransom.
This doesn't really surprise me much. Pirates will always be around. They have even been around when the Vietnam War occured. Vietnamese refugee trying to escape their homelands from the VC just to have their boat seized by pirates and all the female victims raped.
ReplyDeleteHowever modern day ships can prevent this by having some firearms on board. This can give military some time to react.
With over 40% of the population living in extreme poverty, it makes sense that the people of Somalia would do whatever they can to make money. What we need to do is help the country establish a stronger government that supports its people. Since the U.S. and China are the biggest reason the Somalians lost their lively hood (fishing, by over fishing the sea we, should do more to help them rebuild their country. Until they have other ways of making money and government that is willing to prosecute them, pirates will continue hold ships ransom.
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ReplyDeleteWhen I hear the word pirates, the first image that comes to my mind is Captain Jack
ReplyDeleteSparrow from the Pirates of the Caribbean. The idea of pirates seems preposterous, but it is true. I was thinking this was the twenty-first century, but I must be wrong, this is the eightieth century, and America is a foundling nation. However, I come back to my senses. The story is sad but true. The more things change, the more they stay the same. At one time in our distant past, America fought the Barbary Pirates. Now they are back in a different form, time and place. If only one country could fit the profile, Somalia would be the place. The failed state of Somalia, the one of the many the world doesn’t care about. They have no oil, and their beautiful beaches and shark infested waters cannot accommodate any rich European resort communities.
The Somalia of Black Hawk Down (the movie). The place America never wanted to see
again, after seeing her sons dragged through the streets, out of sight out of mind as they say. But Somalia is back with a new spin, an old one really, with a rich tradition. America and her European allies are to blame. Throw in the UN as well. Think about it, if America’s military isn’t going around killing in some God forsaken place, the place isn’t even thought of, much less mentioned. As always, if the world won’t listen to cries of poverty, they will listen to the cries of blood-shed. We have reaped what we have sown, (example: the international arms trade) and it is up to the International community of the not so-failed states to fix it.
I believe in the Bible statement an eye for an eye. Do unto others as they do unto you. You hit me I hit you back with that said, it amazes me again how other countries have law and restriction about reacting to such attacks. We all know this is based on revenue to their society growth. It is a means to the end. I think I said it in the beginning of this comment, I believe a person has the right to use what ever means to protect its property whether on land, sea, or in the air. It is easy for me to sit here and type a few words but reality is it a part of their way of survival. There are rules set in place by the countries involved in these incidents...is it right probably not and do anyone care probably not....what is it primary focus....to get money. Which is also mention in the Bible is the root of all evil.
ReplyDeleteThe pirates of Somalia have become a problem for a lot of countries around the world. Ships that have to go through Somalia in order to get to there destination have been robbed or taken over by these pirates. Its making it difficult for things to get shipped. These ships have to worry about these pirates trying to take over there ships which is ridiculous something should be done about this. The laws out there are dumb how is it suppose to stop if they never stop the cycle. When they get caught they just take them back Somalia and the cycle starts again. I understand they are destroying there ships but that isn’t enough they need to go to jail. Some country needs to step up and take these pirates to jail. The problem is never gunna stop unless something drastic is done. It is ridiculous that ship cant go near the coast of Somalia because of fear it may get captured they have to go around and it takes longer for the shipment to get where it needs to be. So like I said something has to be done.
ReplyDeleteI never really thought about the Somali Pirates as a gang. But that is exactly what they are.
ReplyDeleteI am fascinated that they are able to take over huge vessels and crews with what little they have to work with. Yes, a gun shoved in my face would make me cower in fear and do anything they ask of me. But is there not a gun on that ship anywhere, where another crew member can sneak up on a pirate or two and wreak havoc on them? Maybe I've watched too many Steven Segal movies.
These pirates will not be stopped until shipping companies make some drastic changes in their security. But it seems they don't want to fork out the money to do so. What does that say about the company? Do they care about their employees? I'm not really seeing the employee love here.
With all the warnings and media reports of the pirates one must wonder what goes through a logistics planners head when they plan a shipment route through this area. Many companies feel that it is more costly to avoid this area due to shipment time, while others think that they will be one of the lucky few who are not attacked. They have insurance on the cargo, yet their lack of regard for the human lives lost during these attacks is irresponsible. What puzzles me is the same as Leanne, how is it that a half a dozen pirates can board a large shipping vessel with a several dozen crew members on board and take control? Does anyone else out there smell consperacy? Maybe a little insurance fraud on the part of the large corporations shipping through this area?
ReplyDeleteOnce again, why are these routes being used? If the media has been reporting about these unsafe areas then why does everyone keep using them. The pirates are getting worse and are taking over every vessel that goes through. Other routes should be discussed and used or other forms of transportation. May seem like more money or time but really it would be cheaper then getting kidnapped by pirates and having to pay a large amount of ransom to be released.
ReplyDeletePirates, pirates, pirates, what is their plan. They are capturing people and trying to take over ships as if they rule the world. They only thing that makes these people powerful is our fear of them. They are like big bullies and what makes a bully powerful, the victims fear. Also, popularity, with them being in the news they are becoming “popular” they are being recognized for their actions which allow them gain power because people are becoming fearful of them. Terrorist are the same way, after what has happened with September 11th, Americans are scared of what is going to happen next, and because of that they are planning other ways to scare and harm us. These are just people who desire power and recognition, and by pushing us around they are gaining every bit of it. I do understand how they are violent, and that is a huge factor in these ordeals. Being aware is the next step to trying to avoid these things from happening. We have so many precautions now in airports because of the terror attacks and there are many more to come I am sure. So this is just another bump in the road that we need to gain more knowledge about so we can develop more strategies on how to avoid these conflicts
ReplyDeletePirates? Thats really kind of interesting,because pirates was a name for outlaws of the sea like hundreds of years ago. When I read this article, it just doesn't really make a lot of since, if anything it seems like a gang activity, instead of on land it is in water. Why would you be sending parts over sea like that? Maybe it was some was planned and their trying to make it seem like it was something fluke that happend. I just think that this story is to unbelievable. Maybe if there was more information on this, but from what i read it just seems a little fishy.
ReplyDeleteI think Melanie might be onto something. The corporate people may be committing insurance fraud or maybe even something worse. You may ask yourself what is worse than that. It is being considered only a number in a calculator. Every person is worth something. It maybe a pirate’s calculator, the governments, or the corporations, but it is still the same end result. For each one they have there breaking point. It could be as simple and changing course, or not taking action if something does happen. Pirate’s calculators are not working on the same as everybody else’s because they need money and such simple things to survive. They are not doing it to get rich like what most people consider rich. They just want the bare necessities.
ReplyDeleteUsually when you think of pirates, you picture a dude with a long beard, a bandana around his head wearing a pirate hat, with a parrot on his shoulder, saying Polly want a cracker or arrgh matey, looking for gold. Instead of this type of pirate, we have pirates who attack ships that sail in their territory. They raid the ships and they take the people on the ships as hostages. I agree with Deavon pirate is just another term for gang, except it’s on the sea. The pirates take what they want, when they want, and they get it by any means necessary. There is another article on this blog that refers to a British couple being released from the Somali pirates after a year. The Somali pirates held this couple for a year and they just now released them. The Somali pirates have been doing this for some time now and they show no signs of stopping.
ReplyDeleteIt's crazy to think that these pirates are STILL getting away with hijacking ships and taking hostages. Obviously the pirates feed off of the fear people feel about them and use it to their advantage when negotiating millions of dollars to release hostages. There's no way that the pirates are going to see an end to their criminal behavior anytime soon....they've got it too easy! All they have to do is provoke fear in the countries and boom they have millions of dollars at their fingertips. Once the countries realize they're making it way to easy for the pirates to continue ruling the seas is the day that the pirate problem will end.
ReplyDeleteI don't understand why the other countries out there don't just come together and stop this. I mean the pirates aren't following laws and regulations yet they are hiding behind them and flaunting their steals. Really it seems like it's just time to go in and stop it.
ReplyDeleteI say we have waged war on drugs and other things, lets wage war on pirates! Something definitely has to be done. We cannot continue to have our shipping lanes hijacked by pirates just because they don't want to earn whatever living possible to them, when they can just take something that belongs to someone else. I say once again that military intervention definitely needs to be considered. Little boys with big guns! I don't think so!
ReplyDeleteI have to agree with others who have compared the modern day pirate to gang members, or maybe it's really the other way around, gang members are like the old school pirates? Just a thought. Also dealing with Somolia is difficult, because almost all of Africa is a volatile pile of chaos. Maybe the UN should do something about it, well the UN should do a lot of things, but that doesn't mean anything will actually be accomplished!
ReplyDeleteThese are not my personal views as I do not believe everyone in America should have the right to have/own a gun since there are so many idiots walking around with no common sense BUT if they know the pirates exist and what they are up to, including disregard for human life, then why not arm themselves to the hilt? The Pirates want a war, well them give them one. And I mean the private companies sending these vessels out to sea knowing the risk. The government tries to do what they can but sometimes they can not reach the people in time to provide help and rescue. I mean technology is so sophisticated now a days. Can they not see a vessel is approaching them?
ReplyDeleteIt seems to me that these pirates are generally surrounded with criminal activities and nothing that they have done or are currently doing is normal by any social standard. It is difficult to track and monitor every vessel on the waters. I cannot possibly imagine what capabilities would be required and the sophistication level of tracking devices to track every single body of waters and its counterparts.
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